I could not agree with you more Jonas! Spot on! Look at Jesus and you will realise that his most spiritual moments were when He was down and dirty with the Jews and His disciples and the Romans. Conversations, frustrations, whipping moneychangers out of the Temple, giving the silent treatment to Pontius Pilate, getting crucified and then being resurrected. Talking to Thomas and showing him His holes and wounds.

Yes, that is nothing less than very spiritual to me. Very real. So, is spiritual = real? Wondering about that this weekend:)